1 00:00:37,389 --> 00:00:35,410 hello our side chatters welcome to the 2 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:37,399 goddamn show smoking a little smoke and 3 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:38,690 drinking a little drink which is 4 00:00:43,450 --> 00:00:40,730 definitely recommended for the weirdness 5 00:00:45,099 --> 00:00:43,460 we got today I am Greg Carl Wood from 6 00:00:47,770 --> 00:00:45,109 sunny San Diego and we're going to 7 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:47,780 examine a specific case of human alien 8 00:00:52,110 --> 00:00:49,370 contact known to the deep level 9 00:00:54,639 --> 00:00:52,120 black-budget groups as project serpo 10 00:00:56,319 --> 00:00:54,649 it's a bit of a funny thing because in 11 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:56,329 vague terms a lot of people will be 12 00:00:59,739 --> 00:00:57,890 pretty accepting of the idea that we 13 00:01:02,319 --> 00:00:59,749 visited with aliens or that aliens have 14 00:01:04,899 --> 00:01:02,329 visited us but when you get into a story 15 00:01:06,850 --> 00:01:04,909 of such detail people start to get 16 00:01:09,130 --> 00:01:06,860 pretty skeptical and I cannot blame 17 00:01:10,690 --> 00:01:09,140 anybody for that but there's a lot of 18 00:01:15,010 --> 00:01:10,700 talk out there about this type of 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:15,020 meeting so some story has to be true and 20 00:01:19,930 --> 00:01:17,210 the only information that really seems 21 00:01:22,150 --> 00:01:19,940 to suggest that the project serpo story 22 00:01:25,690 --> 00:01:22,160 isn't legitimate seems to be rooted in a 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:25,700 forum board war where one forum tries to 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:27,410 discredit the story because it spawned 25 00:01:31,630 --> 00:01:29,810 on a competing forum so there's a 26 00:01:33,580 --> 00:01:31,640 motivation to destroy the story to show 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:33,590 that your board is the real conspiracy 28 00:01:38,950 --> 00:01:36,650 board but there's also an incentive to 29 00:01:41,530 --> 00:01:38,960 make up the story to quote-unquote blow 30 00:01:43,510 --> 00:01:41,540 the whistle and have it done on your 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:43,520 form so that you get the extra hits so 32 00:01:46,770 --> 00:01:45,410 that you get the prestige but it's 33 00:01:50,650 --> 00:01:46,780 important to note that this information 34 00:01:53,110 --> 00:01:50,660 came out on a private network of people 35 00:01:55,150 --> 00:01:53,120 sharing this type of information first I 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:55,160 don't know it's not quite clear but once 37 00:02:00,850 --> 00:01:58,490 it went public it caused a whole host of 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:00,860 controversy in the conspiracy forum 39 00:02:05,260 --> 00:02:03,290 world and also you have to take what we 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:05,270 know about disinformation into account 41 00:02:08,770 --> 00:02:06,890 you know could this have been a page 42 00:02:12,009 --> 00:02:08,780 shill trying to throw everyone off the 43 00:02:13,690 --> 00:02:12,019 track could it be a half-truth you know 44 00:02:16,750 --> 00:02:13,700 these are the questions you have to ask 45 00:02:18,559 --> 00:02:16,760 yourself but never the [\h__\h] less it 46 00:02:20,780 --> 00:02:18,569 is interesting 47 00:02:22,789 --> 00:02:20,790 so who knows people but lens book 48 00:02:27,259 --> 00:02:22,799 project serpo is very well reviewed 49 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:27,269 maintains a 4.5 on amazon 135 people 50 00:02:32,899 --> 00:02:31,260 can't be wrong can they but anyway I 51 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:32,909 always try to ask questions that a 52 00:02:36,830 --> 00:02:35,040 skeptic might ask regardless of what I 53 00:02:39,380 --> 00:02:36,840 think because I love to take someone 54 00:02:42,679 --> 00:02:39,390 from a no way is that possible to a well 55 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:42,689 [\h__\h] maybe it is and I tried to help Len 56 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:44,250 make that case you'll have to decide how 57 00:02:49,849 --> 00:02:47,489 we did apparently the original messages 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:49,859 from the anonymous source where all this 59 00:02:54,470 --> 00:02:51,810 comes from have enough technical 60 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:54,480 information in them to make people much 61 00:02:58,490 --> 00:02:56,250 smarter than me find a reason to dig 62 00:03:00,440 --> 00:02:58,500 deeper and find them to be credible as 63 00:03:02,089 --> 00:03:00,450 you'll hear the story of the yellow book 64 00:03:04,729 --> 00:03:02,099 is probably the hardest pill to swallow 65 00:03:05,629 --> 00:03:04,739 in fact it's so wild that if this was a 66 00:03:08,629 --> 00:03:05,639 fake story 67 00:03:11,929 --> 00:03:08,639 the trickster probably wouldn't even 68 00:03:13,699 --> 00:03:11,939 include such a fantastical chunk of 69 00:03:17,509 --> 00:03:13,709 information if they wanted their story 70 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:17,519 to be believable so either way I suggest 71 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:19,560 you get your head right strap yourself 72 00:03:24,140 --> 00:03:22,049 in and enjoy this ride I'm gonna remind 73 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:24,150 the world about the money bomb again 74 00:03:28,339 --> 00:03:26,250 almost a thousand bucks handed out to 75 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:28,349 date we're preparing for the big 100th 76 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:30,510 episode I hope we can blow it out we are 77 00:03:33,469 --> 00:03:32,010 close to three hundred and fifty in 78 00:03:36,259 --> 00:03:33,479 donations right now so I'll be giving 79 00:03:39,050 --> 00:03:36,269 away at least 125 which is solid it's a 80 00:03:40,939 --> 00:03:39,060 solid base and that said here are the 81 00:03:44,539 --> 00:03:40,949 details now be on the other side with 82 00:03:46,250 --> 00:03:44,549 the wild tale that is Project serpo hey 83 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:46,260 people I gotta take a second to tell you 84 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:47,790 about something we do around here called 85 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:50,370 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the people out as well 114 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:46,770 that's my man so help me help you if you 115 00:04:50,239 --> 00:04:48,180 want to play along go to the higher side 116 00:04:53,089 --> 00:04:50,249 chat STATCOM slash donate and get in the 117 00:04:55,939 --> 00:04:53,099 game dollars bitcoins it's all good to 118 00:05:09,079 --> 00:04:55,949 me and that's what we call the THC Money 119 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:09,089 bomb well folks we've heard a lot of 120 00:05:12,260 --> 00:05:10,409 stories about human and alien 121 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:12,270 integration before with stories of 122 00:05:17,209 --> 00:05:15,020 secret underground bases abductions 123 00:05:18,799 --> 00:05:17,219 hybridization testing and classified 124 00:05:20,869 --> 00:05:18,809 space programs and today we're going to 125 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:20,879 take a hard look at one of those stories 126 00:05:26,029 --> 00:05:23,490 in detail a story that involves decades 127 00:05:28,159 --> 00:05:26,039 of ET contact and even a program to take 128 00:05:30,980 --> 00:05:28,169 human astronauts to the alien homeworld 129 00:05:32,719 --> 00:05:30,990 a program called Project serpo today's 130 00:05:34,219 --> 00:05:32,729 guest Len Caston has written an 131 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:34,229 extensive book called appropriately 132 00:05:39,499 --> 00:05:36,810 secret journey to Planet serpo a true 133 00:05:41,029 --> 00:05:39,509 story of interplanetary travel and has 134 00:05:42,589 --> 00:05:41,039 been researching the secret easy 135 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:42,599 involvement in the human storyline for 136 00:05:46,429 --> 00:05:44,610 quite some time much of which is 137 00:05:48,350 --> 00:05:46,439 documented in his previous book the 138 00:05:49,309 --> 00:05:48,360 secret history of extraterrestrials Len 139 00:05:52,129 --> 00:05:49,319 welcome to the show 140 00:05:54,139 --> 00:05:52,139 yeah nice to be with you Greg yeah man 141 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:54,149 I'm psyched about this story although 142 00:05:58,429 --> 00:05:56,639 there is a lot of controversy over its 143 00:05:59,959 --> 00:05:58,439 validity and I mean that you're gonna 144 00:06:02,329 --> 00:05:59,969 get that with any story that involves 145 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:02,339 aliens it's undeniable that you'll have 146 00:06:05,809 --> 00:06:03,870 that but I hope we can make a case for 147 00:06:09,379 --> 00:06:05,819 Project serpo that the people find 148 00:06:10,850 --> 00:06:09,389 within the realm of possibility so to 149 00:06:12,949 --> 00:06:10,860 start us off let's talk about the source 150 00:06:15,829 --> 00:06:12,959 of the information how did this story 151 00:06:18,049 --> 00:06:15,839 come about started with a series of 152 00:06:21,559 --> 00:06:18,059 emails sent in to an inside insider 153 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:21,569 network UFO network of about 150 people 154 00:06:27,260 --> 00:06:25,110 most of whom were ex-military and X 155 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:27,270 intelligence people so this was a 156 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:30,089 high-level UFO network he called it the 157 00:06:36,179 --> 00:06:32,319 UFO thread list 158 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:36,189 and this series of emails was sent in 159 00:06:43,260 --> 00:06:40,110 from one of the members of the list 160 00:06:47,369 --> 00:06:43,270 reporting on a program that took place 161 00:06:50,939 --> 00:06:47,379 in nineteen sixty four and five wherein 162 00:06:53,579 --> 00:06:50,949 we sent twelve Americans to a distance 163 00:06:57,239 --> 00:06:53,589 star system as part of an exchange 164 00:06:59,100 --> 00:06:57,249 program and he was in a position to know 165 00:07:02,760 --> 00:06:59,110 because he was involved with the program 166 00:07:06,989 --> 00:07:02,770 look many years ago this series of 167 00:07:09,469 --> 00:07:06,999 emails took place in 2005 which was so 168 00:07:12,749 --> 00:07:09,479 that was 40 years after the actual event 169 00:07:14,999 --> 00:07:12,759 and apparently he was an older man by 170 00:07:17,129 --> 00:07:15,009 then but when he was involved in the 171 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:17,139 program obviously he'd been much younger 172 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:21,909 so that's how it all began right so he 173 00:07:26,369 --> 00:07:24,490 sends these anonymous emails how many 174 00:07:30,209 --> 00:07:26,379 pages of information would you say he 175 00:07:32,730 --> 00:07:30,219 put out there well you know the email 176 00:07:36,029 --> 00:07:32,740 became the website the website was 177 00:07:38,610 --> 00:07:36,039 created to house the emails eventually 178 00:07:41,909 --> 00:07:38,620 and that email became fleshed out with a 179 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:41,919 lot of other information from other 180 00:07:46,170 --> 00:07:44,050 people involved in the program who also 181 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:46,180 chose to remain anonymous but who were 182 00:07:51,269 --> 00:07:48,969 intimately involved with it so at this 183 00:07:52,829 --> 00:07:51,279 point it has something it's still out 184 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:52,839 there by the way and it still has and 185 00:07:59,399 --> 00:07:56,050 has about 13,000 words of information so 186 00:08:02,179 --> 00:07:59,409 it's overwhelming actually yeah so if 187 00:08:04,170 --> 00:08:02,189 there been any other outside of 188 00:08:06,329 --> 00:08:04,180 anonymous and a few other anonymous 189 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:06,339 sources have there been any credible 190 00:08:12,170 --> 00:08:08,529 whistleblowers that we know of that have 191 00:08:14,969 --> 00:08:12,180 been able to confirm this information 192 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:14,979 well all of whom have written into the 193 00:08:19,799 --> 00:08:17,889 website and remained anonymous but 194 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:19,809 what's remarkable about it is that 195 00:08:25,939 --> 00:08:22,930 nobody nobody of any note has come 196 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:25,949 forward to discredited or debunk it 197 00:08:34,279 --> 00:08:31,180 after see now it's been nine years this 198 00:08:36,569 --> 00:08:34,289 came in 2005 that was nine years ago so 199 00:08:40,469 --> 00:08:36,579 the information has been out there on 200 00:08:42,449 --> 00:08:40,479 the website for nine years and the 201 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:42,459 important people have actually confirmed 202 00:08:45,890 --> 00:08:44,670 it people like Rick Doty 203 00:08:48,620 --> 00:08:45,900 the Air Force Office of Special 204 00:08:51,650 --> 00:08:48,630 Investigations had had a lot of reasons 205 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:51,660 to know what's going on whitley strieber 206 00:09:01,250 --> 00:08:57,090 and many people that ilk have more or 207 00:09:04,430 --> 00:09:01,260 less confirmed it let's get into the 208 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:04,440 actual story here I mean it's it's 209 00:09:09,380 --> 00:09:06,210 pretty fascinating stuff well this thing 210 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:09,390 starts with Roswell if I'm not mistaken 211 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:13,650 correct yes Roswell start us off there 212 00:09:18,170 --> 00:09:14,850 what's the story line 213 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:18,180 well the Roswell crash in the Roswell 214 00:09:24,740 --> 00:09:22,290 crash five aliens died five bodies were 215 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:24,750 found near the craft but one survived 216 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:27,480 and that survived aliens the alien that 217 00:09:31,730 --> 00:09:29,970 survived made all the difference in the 218 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:31,740 world and that's that's what began the 219 00:09:40,370 --> 00:09:36,720 whole project surplus saga because I he 220 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:40,380 was taken to Los Alamos and questioned 221 00:09:45,170 --> 00:09:42,210 there we found a way to communicate with 222 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:45,180 him one person said they actually 223 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:47,130 operated on his larynx to make him 224 00:09:52,340 --> 00:09:49,860 people to talk but I don't think that's 225 00:09:56,450 --> 00:09:52,350 really what happened because it wasn't 226 00:10:00,470 --> 00:09:56,460 really necessary he was able to more or 227 00:10:02,690 --> 00:10:00,480 less pick up some English and but he did 228 00:10:05,630 --> 00:10:02,700 speak in those high in those tonal 229 00:10:08,450 --> 00:10:05,640 variations very much like what was shown 230 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:08,460 in Close Encounters the Third Kind yeah 231 00:10:12,530 --> 00:10:10,770 that's very strange I've heard about 232 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:12,540 there's a connection to Close Encounters 233 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:14,790 there's a lot of speculation that it 234 00:10:22,850 --> 00:10:19,490 possibly is inspired by the first 235 00:10:25,490 --> 00:10:22,860 visitation with the aliens that 236 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:25,500 apparently came back after they had made 237 00:10:31,100 --> 00:10:27,810 contact with this one that had survived 238 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:31,110 the crash at Roswell well the alien that 239 00:10:37,370 --> 00:10:33,810 survived the crash allowed us to get in 240 00:10:39,140 --> 00:10:37,380 communication with his planet what 241 00:10:43,130 --> 00:10:39,150 happened was there was a communications 242 00:10:44,810 --> 00:10:43,140 device in the craft which the scientists 243 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:44,820 at Los Alamos had retrieved but they 244 00:10:50,930 --> 00:10:47,250 couldn't get it to work and he couldn't 245 00:10:54,830 --> 00:10:50,940 get it to work until finally five years 246 00:10:57,110 --> 00:10:54,840 later after trying many things one of 247 00:10:58,550 --> 00:10:57,120 the American scientists came up with the 248 00:11:00,890 --> 00:10:58,560 bright idea of 249 00:11:04,070 --> 00:11:00,900 simply bringing the device back to the 250 00:11:06,290 --> 00:11:04,080 crash craft which they had and hooking 251 00:11:11,330 --> 00:11:06,300 it up to the power source there in the 252 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:11,340 craft and lo and behold worked what's it 253 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:13,529 what's interesting about that is that it 254 00:11:19,060 --> 00:11:15,570 wasn't the alien that conceived the idea 255 00:11:23,150 --> 00:11:19,070 was one of the Americans in anycase 256 00:11:25,970 --> 00:11:23,160 communications began in 1952 with his 257 00:11:29,390 --> 00:11:25,980 home planet and he sent he sent six 258 00:11:33,079 --> 00:11:29,400 messages in quick succession to that 259 00:11:36,710 --> 00:11:33,089 planet one of which suggested an 260 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:36,720 exchange program and at who at whose 261 00:11:45,380 --> 00:11:41,160 Beck at whose authority that was made on 262 00:11:48,290 --> 00:11:45,390 I'm not sure so he sent six messages 263 00:11:50,810 --> 00:11:48,300 home were any of them messages to come 264 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:50,820 and get him one of the messages was it 265 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:53,330 was requesting a rescue operation yes 266 00:11:58,490 --> 00:11:56,160 but apparently that was impossible at 267 00:12:01,790 --> 00:11:58,500 that time however that's that begins 268 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:01,800 another story and coasts you know it was 269 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:04,110 clear to some of the scientists at Los 270 00:12:11,510 --> 00:12:07,490 Alamos that that tiny little craft 271 00:12:14,230 --> 00:12:11,520 probably didn't travel through through 272 00:12:16,850 --> 00:12:14,240 interstellar space it was just too small 273 00:12:18,130 --> 00:12:16,860 too and too unequipped and they assumed 274 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:18,140 that there must be a mothership 275 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:26,490 somewhere in the vicinity still and that 276 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:29,850 turned out to be the case that turned 277 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:32,850 out to be the case really yes turned out 278 00:12:39,470 --> 00:12:35,810 to be the case because in early in mid 279 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:39,480 1953 another craft didn't crash in 280 00:12:46,730 --> 00:12:44,250 Kingman Arizona it landed and apparently 281 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:46,740 that was part of the arrangement that 282 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:49,530 they would send another craft down not 283 00:12:57,730 --> 00:12:53,220 to rescue the other the alien that had 284 00:13:01,550 --> 00:12:57,740 survived but to to give us as a gift a 285 00:13:03,949 --> 00:13:01,560 anti-gravity craft circular disc to use 286 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:03,959 to reverse engineer and to make our own 287 00:13:12,020 --> 00:13:09,030 and so in 1953 that craft was retrieved 288 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:12,030 and we brought to Nevada Test Site 289 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:14,250 there were four live aliens on the craft 290 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:18,170 they were also brought to Los Alamos 291 00:13:22,220 --> 00:13:20,430 but eventually they were brought back to 292 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:22,230 the Nevada Test Site so they could work 293 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:25,200 with the scientists there and that's all 294 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:28,010 detailed in my chapter on Kingman 295 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:31,080 interesting so this I guess would mark 296 00:13:35,630 --> 00:13:33,570 the first major encounter with an ET 297 00:13:38,510 --> 00:13:35,640 species for the American government but 298 00:13:40,700 --> 00:13:38,520 there's also speculation that the Nazis 299 00:13:42,430 --> 00:13:40,710 had similar type craft and similar type 300 00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:42,440 beans helping them was this the same 301 00:13:47,890 --> 00:13:45,060 type event this is a different entity or 302 00:13:50,210 --> 00:13:47,900 was this the same group of of aliens 303 00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:50,220 different they were different different 304 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:52,920 group yeah these aliens were from Zeta 305 00:13:57,770 --> 00:13:55,050 Reticuli if my belief and it's the 306 00:13:59,960 --> 00:13:57,780 belief of anonymous that the graves 307 00:14:02,810 --> 00:13:59,970 so-called greys are from Alpha Centauri 308 00:14:03,770 --> 00:14:02,820 and there are totally different totally 309 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:03,780 different species 310 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:07,260 I say totally because there's some 311 00:14:11,060 --> 00:14:08,610 similarities in terms of their 312 00:14:16,940 --> 00:14:11,070 physiology but basically they're 313 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:16,950 different the aliens from from serpo are 314 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:19,650 more human looking they look like small 315 00:14:24,170 --> 00:14:21,690 people actually they have a brown 316 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:24,180 complexion they have five fingers and 317 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:25,250 toes 318 00:14:31,870 --> 00:14:27,600 their eyes are a little larger but not 319 00:14:36,890 --> 00:14:31,880 spectacular larger like the greys and 320 00:14:40,340 --> 00:14:36,900 they're much easier to to to interact 321 00:14:43,940 --> 00:14:40,350 with interesting they're also very 322 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:43,950 caring people we discovered and they've 323 00:14:51,230 --> 00:14:47,330 never ever abducted any of our citizens 324 00:14:55,550 --> 00:14:51,240 so that's interesting yeah this being he 325 00:14:58,700 --> 00:14:55,560 lived in some military base for five 326 00:15:01,040 --> 00:14:58,710 years and then it was not until ten 327 00:15:03,140 --> 00:15:01,050 years later that the first meeting was 328 00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:03,150 arranged between the US government and 329 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:10,160 this alien race that's the case in in 330 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:13,770 this discussing this why he would have 331 00:15:20,750 --> 00:15:17,370 made that suggestion for a exchange 332 00:15:23,660 --> 00:15:20,760 program ten years out the the Americans 333 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:23,670 were baffled but before they could get 334 00:15:28,849 --> 00:15:25,970 it clarified he died he died 335 00:15:32,419 --> 00:15:28,859 19:52 and summer 52 so they never 336 00:15:34,869 --> 00:15:32,429 understood why he had suggested 10 years 337 00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:34,879 down the road which would have been 1962 338 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:37,199 yeah that is interesting maybe he 339 00:15:42,999 --> 00:15:39,569 thought we had a lot more work to do 340 00:15:45,919 --> 00:15:43,009 before we were worthy of that type of 341 00:15:49,460 --> 00:15:45,929 meeting but do we know why he died was 342 00:15:51,919 --> 00:15:49,470 it just a natural kind of thing yeah I 343 00:15:53,389 --> 00:15:51,929 probably more more than more remarkable 344 00:15:55,699 --> 00:15:53,399 than anything that he survived for five 345 00:15:57,710 --> 00:15:55,709 years in such a such a different 346 00:15:59,419 --> 00:15:57,720 possibly hostile environment far as he 347 00:16:00,799 --> 00:15:59,429 was concerned yeah I mean that's what I 348 00:16:02,119 --> 00:16:00,809 was thinking you go halfway around the 349 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:02,129 world and if you don't get a bunch of 350 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:03,809 shots you could be hit with some nasty 351 00:16:08,030 --> 00:16:05,970 disease I can only imagine being from 352 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:08,040 another galaxy you'd think they'd have 353 00:16:11,359 --> 00:16:09,600 those same kind of concerns like you 354 00:16:14,569 --> 00:16:11,369 can't eat an apple because it might kill 355 00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:14,579 you you can't breathe the air you can't 356 00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,519 be around a dog maybe who knows I mean 357 00:16:22,249 --> 00:16:19,199 it seems like it'd be such a dangerous 358 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,259 environment exactly they had him in her 359 00:16:26,269 --> 00:16:24,480 pretty in a pretty contained environment 360 00:16:28,129 --> 00:16:26,279 in Los Salma I think it took as many 361 00:16:31,009 --> 00:16:28,139 steps as they could to keep him healthy 362 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:31,019 and keep him alive but uh I think he 363 00:16:34,220 --> 00:16:32,910 just expired and it's rather strange 364 00:16:37,249 --> 00:16:34,230 because on their planet 365 00:16:41,689 --> 00:16:37,259 they lived too much longer a much older 366 00:16:44,689 --> 00:16:41,699 age than we do so but on earth he wasn't 367 00:16:46,699 --> 00:16:44,699 he wasn't able to live that long hmm I'm 368 00:16:48,169 --> 00:16:46,709 not sure how he died maybe contracted 369 00:16:50,329 --> 00:16:48,179 something and disease it couldn't be 370 00:16:54,229 --> 00:16:50,339 couldn't be kind couldn't be fixed I 371 00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:54,239 don't know I'm not sure yeah so do we 372 00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:57,199 know obviously they have some type of 373 00:17:02,239 --> 00:16:59,600 wormhole technology or some type of 374 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:02,249 travel technology that we don't have or 375 00:17:06,110 --> 00:17:03,689 that we didn't have then who knows what 376 00:17:08,210 --> 00:17:06,120 we have now in the black projects but 377 00:17:10,699 --> 00:17:08,220 how long does it take do we have any 378 00:17:14,179 --> 00:17:10,709 idea the travel distance between them 379 00:17:19,460 --> 00:17:14,189 and us how how long they can travel that 380 00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:19,470 many light-years when when we went to 381 00:17:26,860 --> 00:17:22,559 serpo on their spacecraft the trip took 382 00:17:31,570 --> 00:17:26,870 about 10 months 10 naman talking about 383 00:17:36,529 --> 00:17:31,580 240 trillion miles or 40 light-years 384 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:36,539 39:30 9.8 lightyears so that means that 385 00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:38,580 they traveled at 40 times the speed of 386 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:39,630 light 387 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:44,490 right I understand evidently as we what 388 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:47,250 we learned was that they traveled 389 00:17:53,180 --> 00:17:50,250 through wormholes and traveled through a 390 00:17:55,700 --> 00:17:53,190 wormhole is instantaneous doesn't take 391 00:17:59,060 --> 00:17:55,710 time at all because it's going through 392 00:18:02,810 --> 00:17:59,070 the time domain apparently so 393 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:02,820 the 10 month period evidently was taken 394 00:18:09,410 --> 00:18:07,050 up with navigating with stellar 395 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,420 navigation which they were had to add 396 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:11,760 experts at at that point they had been 397 00:18:19,130 --> 00:18:14,070 developing this technology for 50,000 398 00:18:21,020 --> 00:18:19,140 years of our years so they knew how to 399 00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:21,030 navigate to and from and in and out of 400 00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:23,880 the wormholes once in the wormhole it's 401 00:18:30,370 --> 00:18:27,000 like folding space their planet event 402 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:30,380 essentially became much closer to ours 403 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:33,570 and like like space was folded over to 404 00:18:39,230 --> 00:18:37,110 the point where the two star systems 405 00:18:44,030 --> 00:18:39,240 were virtually side-by-side that's not 406 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:44,040 work and so it took ten months now when 407 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:45,570 you add in the acceleration the 408 00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:49,050 deceleration navigation apparently 409 00:18:53,900 --> 00:18:50,880 that's all taken up with the ten months 410 00:18:59,230 --> 00:18:53,910 I'm not sure and also they use the form 411 00:19:02,030 --> 00:18:59,240 of anti antimatter propulsion as well 412 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:02,040 now our people were able to travel to 413 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:04,710 walk around the ship they were allowed 414 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:06,090 to go into the engine room 415 00:19:11,180 --> 00:19:08,730 they answered all the questions we had 416 00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,190 to eat evidently we picked up a lot of 417 00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:13,200 the information about that technology in 418 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:16,620 about death propulsion interesting so 419 00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,380 they brought us a craft to reverse 420 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:22,080 engineer tell me more about that first 421 00:19:27,020 --> 00:19:25,170 meeting so the the beam dies and then 10 422 00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:27,030 years later I guess during that 10 years 423 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:28,740 or was ongoing communication back and 424 00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:31,980 forth maintained evidently yeah 425 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:35,190 evidently but the fact that they had 426 00:19:41,060 --> 00:19:37,110 given us a craft reverse engineer was 427 00:19:43,730 --> 00:19:41,070 kept very very very secret mm-hmm very 428 00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:43,740 high level way above top secret because 429 00:19:49,070 --> 00:19:45,990 we were back engineering that bed craft 430 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:49,080 at the Nevada Test Site and that's all 431 00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:51,660 in one of the appendices in my book 432 00:19:56,210 --> 00:19:53,430 because the man who was 433 00:19:59,060 --> 00:19:56,220 Bob din that gave a personal testimony 434 00:20:02,330 --> 00:19:59,070 about what went on there and how he was 435 00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:02,340 able to he was in charge of building a 436 00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:06,720 simulator for our pilots they built a 437 00:20:14,210 --> 00:20:11,360 simulator that essentially simulated 438 00:20:16,550 --> 00:20:14,220 travel a flight in the antigravity craft 439 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:16,560 and that was his job and that's in the 440 00:20:22,820 --> 00:20:20,130 book right also in the book I was really 441 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:22,830 surprised to see apparently John F 442 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:25,170 Kennedy had knowledge of this serpo 443 00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:27,210 project in this ongoing communication 444 00:20:33,140 --> 00:20:30,000 correct yeah by time they were ready 445 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:33,150 Knight Kennedy was president and he he 446 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:37,530 was briefed on the the exchange program 447 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:40,020 and he had the option of saying yes or 448 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:42,690 no and he said yes he was he was 449 00:20:49,820 --> 00:20:46,770 absolutely committed to any triumphs he 450 00:20:51,740 --> 00:20:49,830 could that could be made in space mm-hmm 451 00:20:54,850 --> 00:20:51,750 going to the moon whatever that was that 452 00:20:57,860 --> 00:20:54,860 was what he called the new frontier and 453 00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:57,870 and he worked with von Braun on this 454 00:21:03,260 --> 00:21:00,840 whole thing but he had absolutely no 455 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:03,270 knowledge from what I could determine in 456 00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:05,610 my research he had absolutely no 457 00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:09,510 knowledge of what went on after Kingman 458 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:11,460 and in the reverse engineering of the 459 00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:15,810 craft he did not know about that and so 460 00:21:21,140 --> 00:21:18,120 as far as he was concerned they had 461 00:21:24,740 --> 00:21:21,150 proposed an exchange program he agreed 462 00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:24,750 to the exchange program and he said go 463 00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:27,180 forward with it that's how that 464 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:30,360 triggered the entire operation now he 465 00:21:34,850 --> 00:21:32,730 was assassinated before the visitation 466 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:34,860 right it was like five months but before 467 00:21:40,340 --> 00:21:37,770 right that's right yeah oh man 468 00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:40,350 such a bummer the whole world could have 469 00:21:45,530 --> 00:21:42,990 been way different exactly because 470 00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:45,540 probably knowing his dedication to 471 00:21:54,370 --> 00:21:49,350 transparency he probably was going to 472 00:21:57,020 --> 00:21:54,380 have a video video have it televised and 473 00:21:58,700 --> 00:21:57,030 that would be my guess anyway I don't 474 00:22:00,800 --> 00:21:58,710 have any knowledge of information about 475 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:00,810 that but knowing knowing Kennedy as we 476 00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:03,210 do will the way he detested secrecy 477 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:06,030 government secrecy that would have been 478 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:08,210 a logical thing from the 479 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:11,910 yeah it's it's crazy to think about how 480 00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:13,950 different things could have been now 481 00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:15,960 let's go to that first meeting you know 482 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:17,700 Kennedy is assassinated five months 483 00:22:21,860 --> 00:22:19,770 later this first meeting happens with 484 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:21,870 the the even they're called the the oven 485 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:24,960 right well one of the scientists at Los 486 00:22:31,790 --> 00:22:28,830 Alamos came up with that because it's a 487 00:22:34,490 --> 00:22:31,800 short short form of extraterrestrial 488 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:34,500 biological entity so that became even 489 00:22:39,260 --> 00:22:36,930 and they became labeled with the word 490 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:39,270 with the term even that was our that was 491 00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:41,010 our term for them they became the evens 492 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:43,470 okay so that first meeting what was that 493 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:46,950 like that first meeting meaning the 494 00:22:52,910 --> 00:22:47,730 first landing 495 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:52,920 had a bit they came and got their bodies 496 00:22:57,860 --> 00:22:56,370 I understand and there were other 497 00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:57,870 interesting details to that first 498 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:01,620 meeting we had the 12 Americans ready to 499 00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:03,510 ready to board the craft in April of 500 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:07,860 1964 they were sitting on a bus outside 501 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:10,290 of Holloman Air Force Base that's where 502 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:11,730 the first landing took place was at 503 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,330 Holloman in New Mexico but when they 504 00:23:19,580 --> 00:23:17,280 arrived they decided they did not want 505 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:19,590 to take our people with them at that 506 00:23:25,910 --> 00:23:22,530 particular time and they said they would 507 00:23:28,730 --> 00:23:25,920 come back in a year in July of 65 for 508 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:28,740 the exchange program so in that first 509 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:31,050 meeting it was more or less of a 510 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:33,450 ceremonial meeting they gave us a get a 511 00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:36,330 very an incredible gift at that point 512 00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:38,760 called the yellow book all right tell us 513 00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:41,340 about the yellow book well the yellow 514 00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,150 book was it was really like a block more 515 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:47,760 like a block a plastic block or 516 00:23:52,220 --> 00:23:49,770 something it wasn't really a book but 517 00:23:55,940 --> 00:23:52,230 was about the size of a book and when it 518 00:23:59,930 --> 00:23:55,950 was open scenes appeared from the 519 00:24:04,670 --> 00:23:59,940 distant past all the way up to the 520 00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:04,680 present going way back to the way our 521 00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:06,600 planet evolved and the way our species 522 00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:09,750 evolved they had all that information in 523 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:13,320 pictorial form so it was like we're 524 00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:15,800 reliving it when you opened the book and 525 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:18,870 the there was text or there were words 526 00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:21,090 accompanying the pictures 527 00:24:28,940 --> 00:24:23,280 and the words were in the language that 528 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:28,950 you the reader spoke solo apparently it 529 00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:32,850 had the ability to pick up from your 530 00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:35,700 thoughts so from your aura or whatever 531 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,360 your language and then it would speak to 532 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:42,480 you in that language see now the yellow 533 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:44,430 book is fascinating to me either what 534 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:47,570 kind of details did an animus give on 535 00:24:52,790 --> 00:24:50,370 the content of this yellow book because 536 00:24:54,650 --> 00:24:52,800 up obviously our history is very skewed 537 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:54,660 it's been manipulated there are a lot of 538 00:25:01,820 --> 00:24:57,650 unanswered questions did you did he 539 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:01,830 elaborate on humanities history and some 540 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:05,850 of those areas of the unknown yeah of 541 00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:09,210 course and that's all that's all in 542 00:25:17,770 --> 00:25:14,220 what's called the debriefing book when 543 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:17,780 when the seven Americans returned in 544 00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:21,270 1978 only seven came back by the way 545 00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:24,600 mm-hmm they were debriefed for a solid 546 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:28,260 year by the DIA and by the Air Force 547 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:32,130 Office of Special Investigation and they 548 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:33,930 were kept isolated for that period of 549 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:36,570 time that resulted in a three thousand 550 00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:40,110 face book well all of the information 551 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:41,220 that you're asking all the questions 552 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:43,530 you're asking are answered in that book 553 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:46,910 and anonymous had access to that book 554 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:52,020 Wow so but we don't have all the details 555 00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:55,370 naturally 3,000 pages but we have enough 556 00:26:02,000 --> 00:25:59,250 to to produce those emails that he sent 557 00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:02,010 into the website yeah I mean can you can 558 00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:04,590 you share anything about the the 559 00:26:09,710 --> 00:26:07,560 contents of that history I mean did 560 00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:09,720 anybody go back and look at who built 561 00:26:15,260 --> 00:26:11,820 the pyramids or check the validity of 562 00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:15,270 Atlantis or you know watch the dinosaurs 563 00:26:21,140 --> 00:26:17,190 get wiped out by an asteroid anything 564 00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:21,150 like that according to anonymous way you 565 00:26:29,150 --> 00:26:25,620 read the book was once you started 566 00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:29,160 reading it you could not put it down and 567 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:31,230 pick up where you left off you'd have to 568 00:26:34,670 --> 00:26:33,930 start all over again that's the way it 569 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:34,680 work 570 00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:40,050 really thanks I yeah exactly he said 571 00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:44,520 that he spent 22 hours reading it and he 572 00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:46,100 didn't get very far 573 00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:50,400 so the beyond that I don't have any more 574 00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:52,920 information except he said the aliens 575 00:26:58,900 --> 00:26:56,280 did speak about Jesus whether or not 576 00:27:02,510 --> 00:26:58,910 they were taking credit for Jesus I 577 00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,520 don't know he intimated that there was 578 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:05,100 that element where they claimed to have 579 00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:08,610 been involved in that if that's the case 580 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:11,190 could have been disinformation I don't 581 00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:13,890 know right I saw that insinuation that 582 00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:16,470 Jesus was possibly one of them you know 583 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:21,600 a teacher of his time and also there's 584 00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:23,490 the you know like the point you made it 585 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:27,740 could have been manipulation to try to 586 00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:30,960 maybe get in art get something out of us 587 00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:33,240 at the time so we were manipulated with 588 00:27:37,490 --> 00:27:35,400 this false story I mean our leaders do 589 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:37,500 it to us I could see them doing it to us 590 00:27:46,010 --> 00:27:40,650 as well yeah if you go to the Billy 591 00:27:49,660 --> 00:27:46,020 Meyer story where the book so-called 592 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:49,670 Talmud of Emanuel was unearthed that 593 00:28:00,290 --> 00:27:54,050 claims that book supposedly came from 594 00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:00,300 the Pleiadians and they say that Jesus 595 00:28:08,660 --> 00:28:04,350 was an extraterrestrial but not from 596 00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:08,670 that particular planet interesting yeah 597 00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:11,070 here from a different star system so 598 00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:13,350 have any other whistleblowers from any 599 00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:17,100 other areas of ufology or blackops ever 600 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:18,990 mentioned the yellow book before this 601 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:23,130 story not to my knowledge I've never 602 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:25,290 heard it discussed before but Rick Doty 603 00:28:30,140 --> 00:28:28,530 didn't deny it and at least three 604 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:30,150 receive to think it was all very likely 605 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:33,450 or possible in his interview with with 606 00:28:39,860 --> 00:28:34,140 George Noory 607 00:28:43,450 --> 00:28:39,870 a streamer bill Ryan who was the 608 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:43,460 moderator of the web site 609 00:28:53,420 --> 00:28:49,440 WWE org and Rick Doty were all onto 610 00:28:56,150 --> 00:28:53,430 in December of 2005 remember the 611 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:56,160 information was revealed in November so 612 00:29:02,570 --> 00:28:57,930 this was a month after the revelation 613 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:02,580 and none of the three really debunk it 614 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:05,010 or denied it in fact the fact that Dodie 615 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:06,330 did not deny it 616 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:08,580 and had the opportunity I think is the 617 00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:11,730 most significant of all and streamer had 618 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:15,960 an Academy an interesting encounter with 619 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:19,290 some people at one of the UFO congress's 620 00:29:27,890 --> 00:29:21,780 that he believed tied it tied it to the 621 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:27,900 circle story Wow where they just they 622 00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:31,710 just had knowledge of it as well well 623 00:29:35,270 --> 00:29:33,900 they just related that particular entity 624 00:29:38,540 --> 00:29:35,280 just related that particular incident 625 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:38,550 and took the position that it could have 626 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:41,010 easily have happened that was a very 627 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:42,090 likely story 628 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:45,450 yeah I think he had a to each other so 629 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:48,930 we have this first meeting the aliens 630 00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:52,050 give us the yellow book we are ready to 631 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:53,940 send these astronauts with them they say 632 00:29:59,660 --> 00:29:56,450 no we're not gonna do that right now 633 00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,670 then what happens yeah at that 634 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:01,440 particular meeting they just took they 635 00:30:07,820 --> 00:30:05,250 had the bodies of ten dead aliens they 636 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:07,830 took them back several of them had been 637 00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:11,010 had been autopsy which they probably did 638 00:30:16,910 --> 00:30:15,420 not surprise them at all and that's what 639 00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:16,920 happened at that particular meeting it 640 00:30:22,190 --> 00:30:18,780 was a ceremonial encounter we had 641 00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:22,200 sixteen people there waiting for them 642 00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,340 when they when they landed and it's my 643 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:28,080 belief that President Johnson was not 644 00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:32,690 among them however some height and some 645 00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:35,790 high-ranking intelligence operatives and 646 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:38,820 military people probably worthless so 647 00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:41,370 that's what happened in in April of 1964 648 00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:47,120 at Holloman Air Force Base by the way 649 00:30:53,780 --> 00:30:51,060 the very first contact when they got 650 00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:53,790 into our atmosphere was that they had 651 00:31:02,510 --> 00:30:57,480 misplaced the landing zone by about a 652 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:02,520 hundred miles or so and interestingly 653 00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,130 there was the sighting of that of a 654 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:07,200 craft that looked like the one that 655 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:09,690 apparently that was they sent by Lonnie 656 00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:13,970 Zamora near Socorro at exactly that time 657 00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:16,500 now that's good that's good to hear 658 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:18,600 that's that's quite interesting and 659 00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:21,330 there's a Moore case I think confirms 660 00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:25,200 that that meeting so it's something that 661 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:28,620 your listeners can look into yeah cuz I 662 00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:31,890 mean this is such a far out wild ride 663 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:35,040 but I want it to be real you know I want 664 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:38,090 to believe so I'd love to hear those 665 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:40,530 collaborating little pieces of evidence 666 00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:43,490 that kind of tie this all together so 667 00:31:49,220 --> 00:31:47,460 they make a second trip out and this 668 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:49,230 time they do take astronauts with them 669 00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:51,930 correct yeah they said they would be 670 00:32:00,920 --> 00:31:56,760 back in 1965 in July and to pick up our 671 00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:00,930 people and so this discourse tremendous 672 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:04,320 of inconvenience logistical nightmare 673 00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:04,770 actually 674 00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:07,020 they had 90,000 pounds of equipment 675 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:10,440 waiting to load onto the alien craft and 676 00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:13,010 the 12th Americans was sitting in a bus 677 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:15,540 waiting to get on so all that had to be 678 00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:18,810 postponed the I don't want to call them 679 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:20,310 astronauts because they they really were 680 00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:22,170 not astronauts these were not massive 681 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:24,120 type people there was simply military 682 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:26,850 people that had special training they 683 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:27,990 were sent there was sent back to 684 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:31,170 Leavenworth prison in Kansas because 685 00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:32,850 they did not want them associating with 686 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:35,190 anybody for that whole year until the 687 00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:37,650 next pick up until they pick up they 688 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:39,180 were kept as literal literally as 689 00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:42,330 virtual prisoners 11 would Leavenworth 690 00:32:51,140 --> 00:32:46,860 for that whole that whole year so now 12 691 00:32:57,170 --> 00:32:51,150 people went with them to serpo that's 692 00:32:59,780 --> 00:32:57,180 right seven okay so do we know what 693 00:33:01,400 --> 00:32:59,790 happened to those those other people the 694 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:01,410 ones that didn't come back I know one 695 00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,410 died in transit on the way there all 696 00:33:09,410 --> 00:33:06,960 right what about the rest of them who 697 00:33:12,170 --> 00:33:09,420 died on surf boat in about the third 698 00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:12,180 year they were originally scheduled to 699 00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:14,550 be there for ten years around the third 700 00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:16,380 year two people two more people died 701 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:19,470 and then when the time came to return 702 00:33:25,159 --> 00:33:22,710 only only seven wanted to return to 703 00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:25,169 wanted to remain there so two remained 704 00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:29,460 three died seven came back nice so and 705 00:33:35,659 --> 00:33:32,100 the second half of your book is filled 706 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:35,669 with excerpts from the Journal of one of 707 00:33:40,820 --> 00:33:38,460 the military people who was sent to 708 00:33:43,129 --> 00:33:40,830 serpo and it is so interesting to read 709 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:43,139 through let's go through a little bit of 710 00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:44,730 that like what can we tell the people 711 00:33:49,249 --> 00:33:47,340 about planet serpo from those thirteen 712 00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:49,259 years they were there what do we know 713 00:33:53,299 --> 00:33:52,620 about the ecology of the planet anything 714 00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:53,309 about the planet 715 00:34:01,369 --> 00:33:58,860 geography environment planet have two 716 00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:01,379 suns the Zeta Reticuli star system is a 717 00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:05,820 binary star system supposedly our 718 00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:08,879 astronomers tell us that the two suns 719 00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,950 are very far apart and probably would 720 00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:12,899 not appear in the sky at the same time 721 00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:16,260 however they they were reported that 722 00:34:21,139 --> 00:34:17,639 they were in the sky at the same time 723 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:21,149 and therefore it never really got dark 724 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:23,490 on Sir Paul it would get down to like a 725 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:27,210 Twilight point but never dark because 726 00:34:32,089 --> 00:34:28,649 one of the sons would always be in the 727 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:32,099 sky apparently what we found out was 728 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:35,970 that sir Poe was the fourth planet in 729 00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:39,690 from that one of those Suns which was 730 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:43,020 very similar in size to our Sun and it 731 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:46,800 revolved around that Sun did not did not 732 00:34:52,700 --> 00:34:49,770 do a serpentine revolution about birth 733 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:52,710 about both sons so the Senate did not 734 00:35:00,200 --> 00:34:56,089 revolve around he's always in the sky 735 00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:00,210 but the other one was was they rotated 736 00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:01,800 they revolve around that very much like 737 00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:05,220 are we revolve around our Sun and she's 738 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:07,380 always constant constant daylight there 739 00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,440 in terms of the actual planet was it was 740 00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,500 it very earth-like yeah it was about the 741 00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:16,640 same size as Earth but the same virtual 742 00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,579 weight or terms of kilograms they'd be 743 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:23,280 estimated it had a lot of similarities 744 00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:26,089 the atmosphere was was very breathable 745 00:35:34,579 --> 00:35:30,180 but it was very hot when they lay 746 00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:34,589 it was 107 degrees but they gave them 747 00:35:41,299 --> 00:35:38,609 they gave them a place to stay 748 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:41,309 underground so that it was cooler down 749 00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:45,450 there and that helped a lot yeah 750 00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:48,540 apparently the evens thrive in a much 751 00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:51,750 hotter environment and we do that their 752 00:35:58,309 --> 00:35:56,089 skin and their their their whole but 753 00:36:02,770 --> 00:35:58,319 biochemistry is different than ours and 754 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:02,780 they like they like to be in a hot place 755 00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:05,609 no didn't anima say anything to the 756 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:08,579 effect of who exactly we were dealing 757 00:36:13,339 --> 00:36:10,530 with because obviously the people from 758 00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:13,349 serpo are dealing with just the United 759 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:15,030 States or one country they're not 760 00:36:19,309 --> 00:36:17,010 dealing with the planet earth as a whole 761 00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:19,319 were we dealing with a unified planet or 762 00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:23,640 just a certain geographical area of that 763 00:36:28,549 --> 00:36:26,760 planet no we were dealing with the 764 00:36:30,799 --> 00:36:28,559 entire planet so they operate as a 765 00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:30,809 single species they've reached that 766 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:34,200 level yeah they're very organized that 767 00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:37,170 way now very well controlled and we 768 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:39,990 found out that it was more or less a 769 00:36:45,799 --> 00:36:44,730 police state right I saw that in the 770 00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:45,809 book and thought that was pretty 771 00:36:49,789 --> 00:36:47,849 interesting are we talking about a 772 00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:49,799 police state the wheat the way we see it 773 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:53,040 like you know very authoritative was 774 00:36:58,309 --> 00:36:55,890 there any sign of the people wanting to 775 00:37:01,309 --> 00:36:58,319 rebel against that police state or any 776 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:01,319 kind of oppression or was it a fairer 777 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:05,130 society type situation well if you want 778 00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:06,690 you know if you want to call lack of 779 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:10,710 freedom oppression then yes because they 780 00:37:15,319 --> 00:37:13,740 were closely monitored what they did 781 00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:15,329 everything they did wherever they went 782 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:17,700 they were what they had to wear a device 783 00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,089 on their belt so that they were known 784 00:37:25,579 --> 00:37:23,280 very similar to what we're doing now 785 00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:25,589 actually with with these smart smart 786 00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:29,390 phones and that they were made they were 787 00:37:34,940 --> 00:37:32,280 required to do certain jobs at certain 788 00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:34,950 times of the day and this was this was 789 00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:38,190 all kind of determined by what they 790 00:37:43,450 --> 00:37:41,220 called a mirror tower that as as the 791 00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:43,460 planet revolved around the Sun the 792 00:37:49,089 --> 00:37:46,880 the projections of mirrored tower onto 793 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:49,099 the ground would trigger a whole new 794 00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:51,890 type of activity and they would shift 795 00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:53,750 into a different activity based on the 796 00:38:03,670 --> 00:37:58,490 movements of that tower that mirrored 797 00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:03,680 Chao and also the we guess the commands 798 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:04,940 whatever commands may have come through 799 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:07,250 that device that they were all wore on 800 00:38:12,490 --> 00:38:09,170 their belts and we were given those 801 00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:12,500 devices to wear on our belts too so we 802 00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:16,880 had to wear them too that way they 803 00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:19,880 always knew where we were right yeah 804 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:22,220 that sounds like a police state to me so 805 00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:25,490 yeah how about animals on this plan of 806 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:26,990 course we're dealing with an intelligent 807 00:38:30,609 --> 00:38:28,970 species but do we see any anything else 808 00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,619 from their environment any bio 809 00:38:35,859 --> 00:38:33,760 biological creatures other than them 810 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:35,869 yeah there were some different kinds of 811 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:37,609 animals would that they were described 812 00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:40,490 by the commander and his diary something 813 00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:44,270 that something that looked like a very 814 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:47,540 large snake but it had we've had almost 815 00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:51,200 like human eyes there were several 816 00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:53,390 different creatures yes there was one 817 00:39:00,880 --> 00:38:55,910 sort of a look like a lion but it had a 818 00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:00,890 lot of fur around his face that's all in 819 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:03,380 the book but you know he discusses that 820 00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:04,930 in his diary 821 00:39:11,770 --> 00:39:07,880 but he didn't spend a lot of time on 822 00:39:14,289 --> 00:39:11,780 that the major thing in the diary was 823 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:14,299 was the confrontation that took place 824 00:39:19,089 --> 00:39:17,569 over the body of 308 yeah well give it 825 00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,099 their all given three-digit numbers they 826 00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:21,440 were no longer referred to by names by 827 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:24,140 the way twelve people yeah you have a 828 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:25,970 chapter on that confrontation tell us 829 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:34,420 well 308 was one of the pilots in the 830 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:36,290 12th group of 12 and he died on the way 831 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:38,090 to Sir Paul 832 00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:41,330 and the commander wanted to know what 833 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:43,460 happened to his body and they said that 834 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:45,890 his body no longer was there and he said 835 00:39:52,060 --> 00:39:48,850 why not he said the body belongs to us 836 00:39:54,820 --> 00:39:52,070 they said well it's not it's not 837 00:39:58,660 --> 00:39:54,830 available anymore well he pursued that 838 00:40:00,850 --> 00:39:58,670 and turned out that they had taken the 839 00:40:07,150 --> 00:40:00,860 parts of the body and use it to clone 840 00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:07,160 and to create other creatures and the 841 00:40:14,020 --> 00:40:09,110 fact that they would not release the 842 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:14,030 body cause the commander to confront the 843 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:17,990 doctor and ask him why he can't they 844 00:40:24,190 --> 00:40:21,170 couldn't get the remains of 308 finally 845 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:24,200 they relented and let us see their 846 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:26,930 violent biological or the biotechnology 847 00:40:33,490 --> 00:40:30,650 laboratory in which they used parts of 848 00:40:40,030 --> 00:40:33,500 creatures from many many other planets 849 00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:40,040 that they had visited to create hybrid 850 00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:41,900 creatures and some of them were monsters 851 00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:45,080 the commanders that command said that he 852 00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:48,470 used the word hideous damn yeah I 853 00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,990 definitely read through that part that 854 00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:52,400 was pretty crazy said one of them looked 855 00:40:57,460 --> 00:40:54,110 like a porcupine one of them looked like 856 00:40:59,920 --> 00:40:57,470 some crazy beast yeah exactly and he 857 00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,930 discussed it on revolt of them and his 858 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:02,720 final statement was I have seen the dark 859 00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:05,330 side of this civilization but you know 860 00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:07,880 what he is calling the dark side and 861 00:41:12,820 --> 00:41:09,590 what he's calling evil is just a lack of 862 00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:12,830 understanding of the science that they 863 00:41:18,420 --> 00:41:15,500 were involved in mm-hmm so now I think 864 00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:18,430 it was all just experimentation 865 00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:21,920 biotechnology right but how you know it 866 00:41:25,780 --> 00:41:24,260 is true that probably they would a lot 867 00:41:29,350 --> 00:41:25,790 of these creatures were being treated 868 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:29,360 with cruelty so you know in a way he is 869 00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:34,250 right now it's did he say anything about 870 00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:37,780 their planet in terms of having 871 00:41:44,260 --> 00:41:41,390 overpopulation or a lot of pollution 872 00:41:45,850 --> 00:41:44,270 like have they overrun their environment 873 00:41:49,390 --> 00:41:45,860 or did they have a lot of uninhabited 874 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:49,400 space yeah a lot of uninhabited space 875 00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,880 there were only 650,000 876 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:54,640 even's most of them lived around the 877 00:42:02,010 --> 00:41:57,490 central portion like the equator where 878 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:02,020 it was hot and what happened was they 879 00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:04,360 found out that in their history they had 880 00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:07,600 been involved in a 100-year war with 881 00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:12,480 another civilization and evidently 882 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:16,420 they'd been a lot of fatalities and that 883 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:17,770 may have been the reason why their 884 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:21,430 population was so so small ultimately 885 00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:24,610 they prevailed using particle beam 886 00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:28,750 weapons so they may have been a much 887 00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:30,790 larger population that just got wiped 888 00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,840 out in that war yeah now they this put 889 00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:36,640 this particular planet that they called 890 00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:39,820 Serpa was not their native planet they 891 00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:41,380 had come from a different planet 892 00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:43,990 five thousand about five thousand years 893 00:42:53,850 --> 00:42:47,230 previously which had been destroyed by 894 00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:53,860 volcanic volcanic eruptions so they had 895 00:43:01,080 --> 00:42:59,440 moved or they had they had simply they 896 00:43:04,830 --> 00:43:01,090 were all refugees essentially from their 897 00:43:05,730 --> 00:43:04,840 original home one thing I also saw in 898 00:43:08,310 --> 00:43:05,740 the book that I thought was interesting 899 00:43:12,690 --> 00:43:08,320 about their society is that they didn't 900 00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:12,700 use any money that's right no money they 901 00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:15,340 had huge warehouses and anytime anybody 902 00:43:19,650 --> 00:43:16,990 wanted anything they just went and got 903 00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,660 it I don't know if your earlier with the 904 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:22,000 with the idea of Jacque Fresco's Venus 905 00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:24,370 Project but this sounds almost like the 906 00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:26,920 same society that he's proposing that we 907 00:43:31,950 --> 00:43:29,140 take up here a resource-based economy 908 00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:31,960 where basically all objects all material 909 00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:34,990 goods are in like a library system you 910 00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:36,220 can check them out whenever you need 911 00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:37,540 just like a warehouse like you're 912 00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:40,780 talking about no money autonomous 913 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:44,500 control sounds very similar it's odd 914 00:43:49,620 --> 00:43:47,470 who said that again you know Jacque 915 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:49,630 fresco I'll send you a link when we're 916 00:43:54,510 --> 00:43:52,090 done yeah please do and did you write a 917 00:43:56,610 --> 00:43:54,520 book as well he actually did he wrote a 918 00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:56,620 book called the best that money can't 919 00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:59,050 buy and it's a book about how most of 920 00:44:01,950 --> 00:44:00,640 our problems are caused by a monetary 921 00:44:04,530 --> 00:44:01,960 system and if we're ever going to work 922 00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:04,540 together and not be in conflict with 923 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:05,270 other 924 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:06,890 on the same round planet then we're 925 00:44:11,050 --> 00:44:08,210 gonna need to get over the monetary 926 00:44:13,300 --> 00:44:11,060 system that makes sense it makes 927 00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,310 absolute sense I mean of the evens 928 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:16,160 haven't worked out and they don't even 929 00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:17,450 they're not even concerned about 930 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:20,270 material goods need anything when they 931 00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:22,730 need food it's all there right so in 932 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:26,540 those terms it doesn't seem so much like 933 00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,130 a police state or at least not in the 934 00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:30,560 terms that we would think about it it 935 00:44:35,859 --> 00:44:32,500 seems like more of just a cohesive unit 936 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:35,869 working with obviously some type of 937 00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:37,610 hierarchy but it doesn't seem to be 938 00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:40,790 necessarily super abusive to the people 939 00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:42,470 it seems to be somewhat beneficial for 940 00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:45,560 them they're all taken care of let's put 941 00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:47,720 it that way you get into the question 942 00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:50,390 you get into the philosophical questions 943 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:52,910 of what is freedom worth dang there's a 944 00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:56,210 fine line exactly and if freedom if 945 00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:00,880 freedom regenerates into cannibalistic 946 00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:03,760 capitalism the point where people are 947 00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:06,380 just ravenously taking what they want 948 00:45:10,690 --> 00:45:09,020 from others because no people who get to 949 00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:10,700 very rich are taking it away from 950 00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,520 somebody who's poor that's right freedom 951 00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:15,920 is the key we have supposedly have 952 00:45:19,870 --> 00:45:17,119 perfect freedom but then that's 953 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:19,880 questionable too do we really if we're 954 00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:22,690 manipulated by lack of material 955 00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:25,160 possessions or food or whatever are we 956 00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:27,710 really free you have to those you get 957 00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:29,240 into those kinds of discussions you know 958 00:45:36,940 --> 00:45:33,790 yeah 99 problems my man I hear ya so 959 00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:36,950 these these astronauts are these not 960 00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:39,380 astronauts but these military people the 961 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:41,780 military scientists these adventures 962 00:45:48,310 --> 00:45:44,170 that went to serpo they were there for 963 00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:48,320 13 years now the journals that were 964 00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:50,270 delivered from anonymous they're just 965 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:51,800 the journals of one of these people 966 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:52,310 correct 967 00:45:58,540 --> 00:45:55,609 you know the team commander do we know 968 00:46:00,970 --> 00:45:58,550 anything about any of the other ones I 969 00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:00,980 mean of course that seems like time wise 970 00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:02,990 they probably all be dead by it by this 971 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:06,140 time correct yeah the last one died in 972 00:46:13,450 --> 00:46:10,970 2002 and in Florida interesting so we 973 00:46:15,070 --> 00:46:13,460 don't have any no records of anything 974 00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:15,080 left by any of the other people have 975 00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:18,780 been disclosed through anonymous 976 00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:23,400 right just what's on the website WWF org 977 00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:26,700 now how about photographs they took they 978 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:28,710 took thousands of photographs and videos 979 00:46:34,810 --> 00:46:31,170 all of which are stored at the bowling 980 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:34,820 Air Force Base in Washington at the DIA 981 00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:39,810 headquarters so there are 3,000 982 00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:42,750 photographs there there are soil samples 983 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:46,080 there are cassette recordings because 984 00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:48,210 they were able to use cassettes in the 985 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:52,140 60s they had that technology so it's all 986 00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:53,850 there yeah it's a question of getting a 987 00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:55,590 Freedom of Information Act if I try and 988 00:47:00,770 --> 00:46:58,890 pry it out of there mm-hmm yeah that 989 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:00,780 would be great to do I would love to see 990 00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:02,490 that happen but apparently a lot of 991 00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:05,220 people on this planet ended up knowing 992 00:47:09,620 --> 00:47:07,500 about these meetings I mean we we shared 993 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:09,630 this information with Russia and China 994 00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:12,330 and the Vatican I mean even Carl Sagan 995 00:47:17,930 --> 00:47:13,710 seem to have gotten filled in on the 996 00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:17,940 situation exactly he was recruited to do 997 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:22,350 the scientific analysis astronomy and he 998 00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:26,370 was ultimately wrote supposedly wrote 60 999 00:47:36,100 --> 00:47:30,060 I think was a 60 page opinion on the 1000 00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:36,110 fact that they're their rotational 1001 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:39,150 computations did not seem to work out to 1002 00:47:45,350 --> 00:47:42,870 be in accord with the Keppler with the 1003 00:47:47,060 --> 00:47:45,360 Keppler formulas that that the 1004 00:47:49,070 --> 00:47:47,070 gravitation was different in that 1005 00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:49,080 particular solar system which he 1006 00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:51,180 admitted to reluctantly finally at the 1007 00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:52,920 end but he did sign his name to the 1008 00:48:01,310 --> 00:47:58,290 report and so that also is involved at 1009 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:01,320 Bolling Air Force Base his connection to 1010 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:03,210 it but he did later write the book 1011 00:48:08,330 --> 00:48:06,450 contact right he was not willing to come 1012 00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:08,340 out he was not willing to come out and 1013 00:48:11,300 --> 00:48:10,230 admit they'd been involved in that 1014 00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:11,310 operation because it would have 1015 00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:14,400 endangered his his position at Cornell 1016 00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,100 in the Cornell a Astronomy labs there he 1017 00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,160 was the director NASA might have started 1018 00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:23,040 stopped giving them money we had to but 1019 00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:26,640 we had to walk a fine line and he did it 1020 00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:28,830 I think through fiction by writing the 1021 00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:31,360 book contact which was made into a movie 1022 00:48:38,850 --> 00:48:33,630 as you know with Jodie Foster and 1023 00:48:41,340 --> 00:48:38,860 Matthew McConaughey so outside of the 1024 00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:41,350 confrontation over one of the human 1025 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:42,040 bodies 1026 00:48:46,350 --> 00:48:44,530 I mean 13 years is a long time what did 1027 00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:46,360 they spend their time doing they did 1028 00:48:50,970 --> 00:48:48,190 they just integrate into society did 1029 00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:50,980 they just study with these Abin 1030 00:48:56,730 --> 00:48:54,400 scientists they had an agenda the agenda 1031 00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,740 was given to them by our people at Los 1032 00:49:02,580 --> 00:48:59,760 Alamos they they kept it very military 1033 00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:02,590 in the early stages they saw each other 1034 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:04,630 as they passed they stopped doing that 1035 00:49:11,820 --> 00:49:08,410 after a while after about the sixth year 1036 00:49:14,550 --> 00:49:11,830 I believe they were finally given a 1037 00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,560 community of their own in the northern 1038 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,440 quadrant which was much cooler and they 1039 00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:19,920 didn't have to live in that heat anymore 1040 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:22,870 from what the commit from the way the 1041 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:25,330 commander described it it was similar to 1042 00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:29,890 the the climate of Montana and I had the 1043 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:35,200 same kind of foliage say the same type 1044 00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:37,330 of environment evergreen trees and still 1045 00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:40,420 evergreen trees yeah exactly so they 1046 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:43,110 must have lived a relatively pleasant 1047 00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:46,410 seven years after that because they were 1048 00:49:50,670 --> 00:49:48,760 they were ensconce in a much more 1049 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:50,680 comfortable environment and nobody 1050 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:53,170 really was supervising them so you know 1051 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:54,490 it sounded to me like an extended 1052 00:49:58,740 --> 00:49:57,010 vacation really right at that point so 1053 00:50:00,750 --> 00:49:58,750 they weren't really living in secret on 1054 00:50:02,850 --> 00:50:00,760 serpo it wasn't it wasn't weird to the 1055 00:50:04,350 --> 00:50:02,860 inhabitants of sir POTUS have beens from 1056 00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:04,360 another planet because obviously they've 1057 00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:06,310 been that wasn't even their home planet 1058 00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:07,840 so I guess they weren't really they were 1059 00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:10,840 just living among them exactly and they 1060 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:11,830 were free to they were free to move 1061 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:13,210 around any way they wanted they had the 1062 00:50:18,020 --> 00:50:16,090 use of a aircraft they're very much 1063 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:18,030 similar - it was similar to our 1064 00:50:22,170 --> 00:50:19,690 helicopters although they didn't have 1065 00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:22,180 blades but they were anti-gravity and 1066 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:23,500 they could use that and they can go 1067 00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:25,210 wherever they wanted explore the planet 1068 00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:28,420 and they did have their own agenda I'm 1069 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:30,220 not sure what it was in terms of 1070 00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:33,490 bringing back information this was an 1071 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:37,960 incredible insight into the into the 1072 00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:39,850 salt into the rest of the universe and 1073 00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:42,040 I'm sure they took advantage of whatever 1074 00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:44,020 information they could gather 1075 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:46,870 right yeah this seems like potentially 1076 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:48,730 The Smoking Gun if we could really get 1077 00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:51,850 to all that data it's like so 1078 00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:53,950 frustrating that we can't I know if we 1079 00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:55,990 could get that data and incredible 1080 00:50:59,100 --> 00:50:57,640 things would open up incredible things 1081 00:51:00,990 --> 00:50:59,110 will open up absolutely 1082 00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:01,000 so it's sitting there and sitting there 1083 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:06,640 and why they are keeping it under wraps 1084 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:09,850 at this point fifty years later I don't 1085 00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:11,410 know I mean so many good things could 1086 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:13,240 come out of it I mean you've combed 1087 00:51:17,310 --> 00:51:15,490 through all these leaked journals 1088 00:51:19,170 --> 00:51:17,320 outside of what we've discussed did you 1089 00:51:22,770 --> 00:51:19,180 read anything in them that really stood 1090 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:22,780 out to you well you know to tell you the 1091 00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,610 truth one would expect to be on another 1092 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:29,680 planet won't expect to see beautiful 1093 00:51:37,170 --> 00:51:33,570 cities and all kinds of incredible 1094 00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:37,180 futuristic developments this was kind of 1095 00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:39,430 a dull place and it's not a kind of 1096 00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:41,230 place that I would want to ever even 1097 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:45,940 visit you know it's so and and while the 1098 00:51:50,340 --> 00:51:47,530 evenings were nice people and they 1099 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:50,350 treated us beautifully they weren't 1100 00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:53,050 especially interesting they had strange 1101 00:51:58,770 --> 00:51:55,630 customs terms of dancing and so forth 1102 00:52:01,170 --> 00:51:58,780 and they didn't seem to have any culture 1103 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:01,180 the way we have culture libraries 1104 00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:03,610 museums you know all of that seemed to 1105 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:07,240 be missing so we were dealing with kind 1106 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:09,250 of uh I don't know how to describe it 1107 00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:12,610 really it goes way beyond 1984 just a 1108 00:52:19,350 --> 00:52:15,730 cold scientific community that doesn't 1109 00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:19,360 really have any art they lived in Adobe 1110 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:23,230 type very small Hut's well they weren't 1111 00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:25,530 Hut's they were they were houses and 1112 00:52:31,850 --> 00:52:28,470 they were allowed to have one child and 1113 00:52:35,460 --> 00:52:31,860 no more than one child it was they were 1114 00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:35,470 assigned to certain tasks based on their 1115 00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:40,380 education and that became their lifelong 1116 00:52:49,070 --> 00:52:44,710 job so you know it wasn't to me the kind 1117 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:49,080 of place that we would we would envision 1118 00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:52,570 distant star system and one other thing 1119 00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:53,800 I thought that was pretty interesting 1120 00:52:58,050 --> 00:52:56,830 they talked about how often they visited 1121 00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:58,060 earth they said they've been 1122 00:53:02,700 --> 00:52:59,680 visiting earth since before we were 1123 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:02,710 civilized this race has correct yeah 1124 00:53:05,460 --> 00:53:03,610 exactly 1125 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:05,470 that's why they spoke of Jesus and his 1126 00:53:10,350 --> 00:53:07,090 bulk of a lot of other developments on 1127 00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:10,360 our planet that they know that but the 1128 00:53:13,170 --> 00:53:11,440 interesting thing is that they were 1129 00:53:17,010 --> 00:53:13,180 surveilling with I shouldn't I should 1130 00:53:19,590 --> 00:53:17,020 say they were looking at our most 1131 00:53:22,770 --> 00:53:19,600 sensitive military installation the 1132 00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:22,780 crash over of Roswell was the crash over 1133 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:24,790 the 509th Bomb Group which was the 1134 00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:27,850 atomic bomb boom so the question becomes 1135 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:32,110 well now then we found out that they had 1136 00:53:38,370 --> 00:53:34,690 won a hundred year war they had the 1137 00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:38,380 ability if they wanted to to militarily 1138 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:42,000 speaking to take over this planet 1139 00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,370 technology was and that's why there was 1140 00:53:53,810 --> 00:53:48,400 such panic at the Pentagon over the 1141 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:53,820 Roswell crash that's the reason and and 1142 00:54:00,030 --> 00:53:57,130 Philip Corso talked about that in his 1143 00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,040 book the day after Roswell their initial 1144 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:03,040 initial reaction to Roswell was that we 1145 00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:06,690 were in danger of being invaded so 1146 00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,640 fortunately they turn out to be nice 1147 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:11,440 people civilized people and we did 1148 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:16,570 expose our all of our information to 1149 00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:18,250 several other countries including China 1150 00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:22,060 Russia the Vatican many departments of 1151 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:24,460 our government were present at 1152 00:54:32,490 --> 00:54:27,250 succeeding meetings the last meeting 1153 00:54:34,410 --> 00:54:32,500 took place in 2010 in mid-pacific I'm 1154 00:54:36,330 --> 00:54:34,420 what's called Johnston Island although 1155 00:54:41,850 --> 00:54:36,340 it's really not an island so much as it 1156 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:41,860 is a that tall and so you know a lot of 1157 00:54:49,850 --> 00:54:43,330 governments around the world know all 1158 00:54:52,290 --> 00:54:49,860 about thee that includes Russia so it 1159 00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:52,300 must know about it and certainly the 1160 00:54:57,450 --> 00:54:55,240 Chinese know about it so it's no longer 1161 00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:57,460 a great secret we would not but we 1162 00:55:01,080 --> 00:54:58,930 apparently have become their 1163 00:55:04,290 --> 00:55:01,090 representatives here and they deal with 1164 00:55:05,970 --> 00:55:04,300 us feint mainly yeah it's interesting 1165 00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:05,980 that all these governments would know 1166 00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:09,610 about this and still not be motivated to 1167 00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:12,230 get us to a place where we're operating 1168 00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:16,190 as a single unit as a as a world as the 1169 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:17,510 earth you know when they know that they 1170 00:55:20,590 --> 00:55:19,130 were making contact with another species 1171 00:55:21,940 --> 00:55:20,600 you think that would be a motivating 1172 00:55:24,010 --> 00:55:21,950 factor and being like hey we should 1173 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:24,020 probably get our [\h__\h] together so we can 1174 00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:27,890 like enter the global marketplace or 1175 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:31,790 whatever the Galactic market yeah it 1176 00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:35,210 raises all those questions if we have 1177 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:37,340 freely shared this information with 1178 00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:39,770 other nations and they know all these 1179 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:43,220 fantastic things just as we do you'd 1180 00:55:50,349 --> 00:55:44,570 think there would be some sort of a 1181 00:55:53,050 --> 00:55:50,359 worldwide movement to - in terms of of a 1182 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:53,060 diplomatic relationship with this planet 1183 00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:55,070 and and all the other planets that they 1184 00:56:00,640 --> 00:55:56,750 have visited don't forget they've been 1185 00:56:03,010 --> 00:56:00,650 roaming the galaxy the 50,000 years you 1186 00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:03,020 imagine what they know yeah 1187 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:04,550 they proud yeah they probably know all 1188 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:06,410 kinds of things but that brings up 1189 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:08,330 another interesting point as I've been 1190 00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:09,890 interested in Roswell since I was a kid 1191 00:56:17,859 --> 00:56:13,940 but I've always wondered how a spaceship 1192 00:56:19,780 --> 00:56:17,869 could navigate a wormhole and you know 1193 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:19,790 this race could be traveling for tens of 1194 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:22,130 thousands of years around the universe 1195 00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:25,330 and then crashed in the Arizona desert 1196 00:56:30,250 --> 00:56:28,609 there's amazing story yeah absolutely 1197 00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:30,260 who knows maybe they crash on other 1198 00:56:36,190 --> 00:56:32,780 planets as well the technology's not 1199 00:56:38,170 --> 00:56:36,200 perfect right and apparently at the rate 1200 00:56:41,650 --> 00:56:38,180 it was it was a very powerful radar 1201 00:56:45,790 --> 00:56:41,660 around that Roswell a base that caused 1202 00:56:47,290 --> 00:56:45,800 the crash but some think it was the 1203 00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:47,300 lightning storm that was taking place at 1204 00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:49,250 that time in any case the two of two of 1205 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:51,800 their craft collided and one ended up 1206 00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:53,690 near Roswell and one ended up further 1207 00:56:58,990 --> 00:56:56,420 west in the plains of st. Augustine and 1208 00:57:01,320 --> 00:56:59,000 we eventually recovered the remains of 1209 00:57:03,370 --> 00:57:01,330 that craft as well 1210 00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:03,380 according to the briefing that was given 1211 00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:05,750 to President Reagan both ships with the 1212 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:08,030 same design and the aliens were exactly 1213 00:57:14,530 --> 00:57:10,490 the same so what happened was two of 1214 00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:14,540 their craft collided and that can happen 1215 00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:17,990 that can happen it can yeah so we got a 1216 00:57:22,090 --> 00:57:19,550 couple minutes left I really want to 1217 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:22,100 know more about this anonymous guy 1218 00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:24,770 because he is the crutch that this all 1219 00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:25,830 leans 1220 00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:28,200 there isn't an interesting anecdote he 1221 00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:30,150 told us that he was the editor of 1222 00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:31,710 something called the red book can you 1223 00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,150 tell us about that and how he was 1224 00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:35,880 involved with it he claimed that the red 1225 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:38,700 book is a complete complete compendium 1226 00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:41,490 of all of our contacts with et different 1227 00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:47,070 apt races and in his release to the to 1228 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:49,380 the website he said that we had contact 1229 00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:51,210 with nine other with nine races all 1230 00:57:55,340 --> 00:57:53,910 together including the evens and some of 1231 00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:55,350 the life forms that we have dealt with 1232 00:58:01,070 --> 00:57:57,330 he claimed were actually not completely 1233 00:58:03,110 --> 00:58:01,080 biological they were part they were part 1234 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:03,120 of automaton but they were able to make 1235 00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:06,570 decisions so he talks about that that's 1236 00:58:15,110 --> 00:58:11,700 all in my book and it was his job as the 1237 00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:15,120 editor of the red book to brief sitting 1238 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:18,900 presidents updating them on a contact 1239 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:22,770 with ETS both ours and around the world 1240 00:58:28,610 --> 00:58:26,370 and that became that's known as the red 1241 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:28,620 book and as the editor of the red book 1242 00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:31,170 and I asked the man who briefed sitting 1243 00:58:36,340 --> 00:58:32,660 presidents you've got to believe that 1244 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:36,350 he's way up there in the in the 1245 00:58:41,420 --> 00:58:39,570 intelligence hierarchy and my my own 1246 00:58:45,050 --> 00:58:41,430 guess is that he was probably on mj-12 1247 00:58:47,090 --> 00:58:45,060 uh yeah see he must have been up there 1248 00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:47,100 he seems like he's disclosed a lot of 1249 00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:49,260 information about himself that would 1250 00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:51,240 make it easy for high-ranking people to 1251 00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:53,370 figure out who he was because there 1252 00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:55,020 can't be that many people who edited the 1253 00:59:00,820 --> 00:58:58,260 red book and briefed presidents exactly 1254 00:59:03,260 --> 00:59:00,830 and I think Rick Doty knows who he was 1255 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:03,270 Rick Doty has made some statements that 1256 00:59:07,340 --> 00:59:05,130 make me think that he does know who he 1257 00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:07,350 was oh he has a very good guess 1258 00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:09,780 did we was but he's actually still alive 1259 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:13,710 the last his last entry into the website 1260 00:59:18,220 --> 00:59:17,370 was in 2012 so he still he's still 1261 00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:18,230 around 1262 00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:20,910 what did he say in his last entry was it 1263 00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:24,240 still just more journals no it was some 1264 00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:26,780 very interesting information about 1265 00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,580 Turner Noah was you have to take a look 1266 00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:31,440 I can't recall something he wanted to 1267 00:59:37,940 --> 00:59:36,000 communicate sure yeah remember he does a 1268 00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:37,950 lot of information on the website and 1269 00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:39,630 your listeners are encouraged to 1270 00:59:47,060 --> 00:59:42,710 go out there and take a look at it it's 1271 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:47,070 wwws serpo org still out there of course 1272 00:59:51,590 --> 00:59:49,410 so when you first heard about this story 1273 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:51,600 were you skeptical of it I assumed you'd 1274 00:59:59,720 --> 00:59:55,890 have to be I was sitting in a shuttle 1275 01:00:01,700 --> 00:59:59,730 bus from Laughlin Nevada to divide the 1276 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:01,710 Nevada Airport to the Las Vegas Airport 1277 01:00:07,780 --> 01:00:05,850 with Bill Ryan who was the moderator of 1278 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:07,790 the website and who created the website 1279 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:10,650 so I had two hours of exposure to the 1280 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:13,410 whole story and Donald where was in that 1281 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:16,050 in that particular shuttle too and he he 1282 01:00:18,860 --> 01:00:17,490 contributed some information and you 1283 01:00:23,090 --> 01:00:18,870 know I think you know Donald where is 1284 01:00:25,490 --> 01:00:23,100 right mm-hmm he's well known and he's 1285 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:25,500 high up there in the intelligence 1286 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:28,530 apparatus so when we're seemed to go 1287 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:32,250 along with it and Ryan gave so much 1288 01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:34,410 information I began to understand that 1289 01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:36,810 this was a true story and look for I 1290 01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,420 wanted to look further into it yeah it's 1291 01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:41,760 definitely fascinating are there any 1292 01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:44,280 other points you would make to skeptics 1293 01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:46,260 who might be out there shaking their 1294 01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:47,880 head right now thinking that there's no 1295 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:49,830 way this could be true are there any 1296 01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:51,570 other points you would make that would 1297 01:00:57,740 --> 01:00:53,790 make the story seem more credible how 1298 01:01:01,640 --> 01:00:57,750 can we reach those skeptical people well 1299 01:01:04,070 --> 01:01:01,650 you know President Kennedy was dedicated 1300 01:01:06,860 --> 01:01:04,080 to government transparency so it was it 1301 01:01:09,350 --> 01:01:06,870 was it was his it was the fact that he 1302 01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:09,360 gave this whole operation to the DIA and 1303 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:11,880 not the CIA that made this revelation 1304 01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:13,770 possible we never would have learned 1305 01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:16,110 about it if it had probably stayed in 1306 01:01:23,230 --> 01:01:20,070 the hands of the CIA mm-hmm so so here 1307 01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:23,240 it is 50 years later after the fact 1308 01:01:29,090 --> 01:01:25,590 they're sitting on top of incredible 1309 01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,100 technology they're the only point I 1310 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:31,920 would like to make is that I think it's 1311 01:01:38,330 --> 01:01:35,130 time that the planet was able to start 1312 01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:38,340 making use of this technology curing 1313 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:41,520 illnesses curing diseases that they had 1314 01:01:46,310 --> 01:01:44,490 probably already worked on and using 1315 01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:46,320 free energy all these things that are 1316 01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:49,080 being kept under wraps I think the time 1317 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:53,190 has come you know there's you know we 1318 01:01:57,260 --> 01:01:54,450 to move into a whole nother level 1319 01:01:58,550 --> 01:01:57,270 absolutely that's that's my that's my 1320 01:02:00,559 --> 01:01:58,560 only point that's the point I'd like to 1321 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:00,569 make at this yeah man they say it's the 1322 01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:03,450 age of awaking well right online it has 1323 01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:05,940 been a great time to plant it sir pone 1324 01:02:10,099 --> 01:02:08,280 back again a wild far-out ride I 1325 01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:10,109 appreciate you laying all this out for 1326 01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:11,940 the people in your book and coming on 1327 01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:13,260 the higher side Chasa talked to me about 1328 01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:15,569 it do you want to tell the people about 1329 01:02:20,420 --> 01:02:17,700 your website or your next big project 1330 01:02:27,790 --> 01:02:20,430 before we let you go I don't have a next 1331 01:02:56,260 --> 01:02:54,319 www.miamikettlebell.com in ears in 1332 01:02:59,960 --> 01:02:56,270 between the certain steps of the process 1333 01:03:03,530 --> 01:02:59,970 why did the alien race let their fallen 1334 01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:03,540 comrade spend five years and then die on 1335 01:03:08,050 --> 01:03:05,940 an alien world when apparently they 1336 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:08,060 could have brought them home so easily 1337 01:03:12,109 --> 01:03:09,690 yeah I don't know 1338 01:03:15,980 --> 01:03:12,119 it is far out but I can't say anything 1339 01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:15,990 really I mean 13,000 pages that's a lot 1340 01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:19,319 of pages guys a lot of documents but 1341 01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:20,819 either way I hope we got your blood 1342 01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:23,640 moving guys and I hope you found it to 1343 01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:26,040 be an interesting conversation so please 1344 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:28,710 share the show if you can support me in 1345 01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:29,490 any way 1346 01:03:34,490 --> 01:03:31,800 conspiracies if you're into conspiracy 1347 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:34,500 themed t-shirts I've got some over two 1348 01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:37,170 conspiracies net of course the money 1349 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:40,310 bomb is kind of my focus now and 1350 01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:42,690 actually I should mention that my 1351 01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:45,240 birthday is coming up on the 25th I'm 1352 01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:46,950 trying to coordinate that with our 1353 01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:50,220 hundredth episode and some people have 1354 01:03:54,290 --> 01:03:52,680 asked me if there's a way to donate or 1355 01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:54,300 help me out without contributing the 1356 01:03:58,880 --> 01:03:57,240 money bomb and I have said no there 1357 01:04:02,480 --> 01:03:58,890 really isn't because I just don't 1358 01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:02,490 separate donations that way so this does 1359 01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,260 open the door for someone who wants to 1360 01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:06,960 make a direct contribution to me 1361 01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:08,910 and once the rest of the listeners to 1362 01:04:14,540 --> 01:04:11,160 just [\h__\h] off but no it's I have an 1363 01:04:16,850 --> 01:04:14,550 Amazon wishlist it's full of equipment 1364 01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:16,860 that would make the show a little better 1365 01:04:23,110 --> 01:04:18,390 a little higher quality a little 1366 01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:23,120 smoother and health stuff random 1367 01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:25,850 alternative health type stuff and 1368 01:04:29,540 --> 01:04:28,020 supplements that I've heard about that 1369 01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:29,550 I've wanted to try but haven't wanted to 1370 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:31,830 spend the money on so the Amazon 1371 01:04:38,570 --> 01:04:34,050 wishlist is just those things primarily 1372 01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:38,580 so if you want to help me out get me a 1373 01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:41,220 little birthday present most of my 1374 01:04:46,450 --> 01:04:43,500 friends and family have abandoned me as 1375 01:04:51,590 --> 01:04:46,460 I've traveled down into the fringes of 1376 01:04:53,780 --> 01:04:51,600 conspiracy and paranormal material and 1377 01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:53,790 so it would be nice to have somebody 1378 01:05:02,170 --> 01:04:57,900 make up for that massive massive void in 1379 01:05:05,530 --> 01:05:02,180 my life anyway thanks guys 1380 01:05:07,810 --> 01:05:05,540 I'm gonna get out of here it has been